Marcus Hart (00:01.17)
Hello everyone and welcome back to the Transforming U Live Show. That's Transforming the Letter U Live Show. Our guest today, Dr. Lane, Dr. Trish Lane, that is, a cognitive neuroscientist, award certified neurofeedback specialist, and author of Mind Over Explicit Matter, Quit Porn and Improve Intimacy Through Neuroscience. She has helped thousands rewrite their brains and rewire it as well on top of rewriting it from addiction, using hard science, and real hope.
Today we're going to be unpacking how faith and neuroscience team up to set you free. Let's welcome Dr. Trish. How's it going?
Dr. Trish Leigh (00:36.45)
Hey, I am great. I'm so glad to be here. And I love making the connection between faith and science is one of my favorite conversations that I rarely get to do. So, you know, in one context, so I'm totally psyched to be here.
Marcus Hart (00:39.371)
is.
Marcus Hart (00:48.12)
Yeah, we try to keep science and, you know, in like the whole aspect of spirituality kind of closely knit around here. You know, we were finding out more and more that like, you know, that spirituality has a huge impact on how the brain works.
Dr. Trish Leigh (01:06.574)
Absolutely, and I have seen it and I'm sure we'll dive into it because in my work I'm able to visualize how a person's brain performs. So especially some of the people that I've worked with who have really anchored into their faith and you know what I always think of as kind of divine inspiration, those people's brains can change faster. So I know that to be true.
Marcus Hart (01:26.902)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (01:31.124)
Absolutely, you're looking at a walking, living, breathing example of that. But, yeah, exactly.
Dr. Trish Leigh (01:35.95)
Exactly. And more importantly, it shows up for people, right? Like that's the most important, the outcome, a life transformed. So for sure.
Marcus Hart (01:44.276)
Yeah. So what sparked you on this mission? You know, exactly.
Dr. Trish Leigh (01:47.982)
Yeah, good old fashioned, you know, necessity is the mother of invention type of thing is that I, my, my work is focused on brain performance for a long time. And what I focus primarily on was ADHD and anxiety kind of at the two extremes of brain performance, really fast and slow, which a lot of people don't know an ADHD brains running slower. Um, but then someone that I care about, I, after a long, uh, kind of journey, I figured out that
Marcus Hart (01:53.441)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (01:58.581)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (02:17.357)
was impacting their anxiety, their ADHD, which are both arousal dysfunctions. We also know that erectile dysfunction and sexual arousal dysfunction is the number one pain point for people. So when I found this out about this person in my life, I literally couldn't let it go. So I pivoted all my work to help him. And in doing so, I felt like I knew the secret that the whole rest of the world didn't know. And I made one video on YouTube.
Marcus Hart (02:23.191)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (02:46.061)
This is a true story. I've always had a YouTube channel on brain stuff. I made one video, I put it on a different channel and it's me saying, don't watch porn, porn damages your brain. And then I get a notification that that video had been viewed millions of times. And I'm like, what? So I'm in the comments where people saying, make more content. You know, this was awesome. Support the journey. And I just started making consistent content. And from there, this it's become the primary aspect of my work.
Marcus Hart (03:02.689)
you
Dr. Trish Leigh (03:15.275)
And then a literary agent heard my podcast and he said, have you ever considered writing a book? And I'm like, actually I have one written. So, you know, and it is amazing. And that goes back to faith when you, you know, I had to sit in these blue chairs and I have five children, you know, so on my, on my Google drive was a folder that said passion project. I didn't tell anybody I had been really pivoting into porn because I didn't even want to talk about it. I sat in those blue chairs.
Marcus Hart (03:21.592)
It's right here. Yeah.
Marcus Hart (03:37.239)
Yes.
Dr. Trish Leigh (03:45.375)
And I'm like, porn, seriously? You know, and then I'm like, am I going to show up for this call? And I'm like, you know what, when you're called, if you show up, it all works out.
Marcus Hart (03:48.312)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (03:56.3)
Yeah, you gotta go when you call it. yeah, it's just going backwards here. You know, you got five, you know, I got seven, so I got you beat by two. Yeah, yeah, which is why I pull my hair out every day. yeah, yeah, but.
Dr. Trish Leigh (03:58.752)
You gotta go.
Dr. Trish Leigh (04:06.155)
Yeah, exactly. Well, God bless you. can. Five's a lot. Seven's even more so. I know. I know how that goes.
Marcus Hart (04:19.084)
This is very compelling work and you're very much in good company because a lot of our audience members suffer from anxiety and suffer from various addictions. And I myself, I have come to addictions myself and people...
really discount the fact that it really does start in the brain. And the more we can understand that and the more we can see that, this stuff really triggers some of the behaviors that show up. I think the work you're doing is gonna definitely hit harder and also show that God's still in the healing game.
So going on to your book though, know, it talks about a thousand EQ, EQG, Q E E G brain scans, you know, is there a story that like, you know, that you share in there that's like kind of hit hard?
Dr. Trish Leigh (05:07.883)
huh.
Dr. Trish Leigh (05:16.865)
Yeah, there's a few caveats, but in the book, I tell the story of that first client of mine where, you know, where he was devastated and his wife made him tell me about porn. And I'm like, porn, you know, like it wasn't on my radar, but you know, to speak to what you're talking about is that this is, this can all be visualized. And in the book, I talk about the silent tsunami of not just porn proper, but explicit matter.
that covers social media primarily. And I'm working on my second book, which is all about social media, not just in a hyper-sexualized way, but in a consumeristic way, where now it's pixels over people and transactions over relations. So that silent tsunami at the core is brain dysregulation, which most people don't understand. Fundamentally, once it affects them, they feel that.
And so when I say it, you know, I love what you're talking about because like it's truth. You know, this is what I say to people is you don't have to like believe me or not. This isn't a belief thing. This is an understanding thing. Once you understand truth, then you can move forward. So when people see that dysfunction in their brain on the Q EEG, which is electroencephalogram, it looks at how your brain is using electrical energy. And this is what our brains, our minds and our bodies run on.
Marcus Hart (06:19.617)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (06:42.559)
Once they see that, it explains everything that they're feeling and it becomes the key that can unlock moving forward.
Marcus Hart (06:52.184)
And it really begs the question about the more we get these studies, are they going to do something to reduce how much people are getting exposed to this stuff? Otherwise, we're just going to keep you in business forever.
Dr. Trish Leigh (07:07.425)
think so.
Dr. Trish Leigh (07:10.977)
Yeah. I know that's good and bad because I'm here to help people, but at the same time, I wish there was a lot less people to help for sure. And you're totally right. And in the book too, I talk about, know, I liken, I think it's going to develop the same as the smoking industry. So in the smoking industry, you know, like everybody's told, and there's fake science saying that.
Marcus Hart (07:14.262)
Yeah, that's good. It's good and bad. Yeah.
Marcus Hart (07:29.719)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (07:36.138)
Smoking is fine for you, it helps you relax, but three fundamentals became true. Smoking is completely addictive. Number two, it causes cancer. And number three is secondhand smoke is affecting the people that you love. So porn is highly addictive and for most people except that, and there's a lot of science that shows that that is true. In the book that I wrote, there's hundreds of scientific references.
the publishing company actually made me take references out there. Like you don't have to cite that scientifically, you know? And I'm like, I want people to know every word is true and built on science. But number two is that porn is causing erectile dysfunction. Scientific studies show it's through the roof in young men since high-speed internet pornography came on the scene. And then we know from a lot of science, it's destroying relationships.
Marcus Hart (08:13.175)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (08:31.411)
And we can talk about masculine vitality. I've been making a lot of videos. have a thriving YouTube channel where I've been making more videos on how it impacts masculine vitality. know, men aren't graduating from college as much. They're not getting jobs that they love. They're living with their parents longer. They're not dating, less men are getting married. Like it's, it's destroying the fabric of what people want to create in their life ultimately.
Marcus Hart (08:55.97)
You're definitely speaking truth with power, you know, and I feel like you're talking to the choir here. So, you know, I really appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (09:00.429)
Well, so often I am preaching to the choir and I'm hoping to reach the people. But, to answer your question, like brains can be rewired. know that through neuroplasticity. So in my work, I show her the dysfunction is, but not to freak anybody out to say here, this is what a behavioral addiction, you can be addicted to a behavior and it can disrupt your brain performance. But once you see it, the work that I do involves advanced.
neuroscience technology. And I have my own app and in the app, I can rewire a person's brain and it's all holistic, all natural. It doesn't put anything in, it just capitalizes on neuroplasticity, getting the brain moving in the right direction.
Marcus Hart (09:45.528)
You know, so I have seen folks stuck in the shame cycles, you know, especially a lot of my comrades from the military, they face some real tough hurdles, you know, breaking free and, you know, faith definitely can play a role in, you know, how people can break free. So let's dig into how, you know, we can rewire our brains for freedom, you know, because you already dropped some true bombs already and I want to keep you cooking.
Dr. Trish Leigh (10:09.035)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me, let me speak to, yeah, please. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I was just on Jubilee media. It's a big YouTube channel. I did a show where I debated porn performers and the, and there was a gentleman sitting next, there was a gentleman sitting next to me he's like, I'm just watching you cook. And I was like, that's the beauty of truth and science. But to speak to, I said, help me like serve up some sides here, my man, you know, but anyway,
Marcus Hart (10:14.22)
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (10:23.5)
wow, I gotta find that one. Yeah.
Marcus Hart (10:31.554)
Yeah, cook it.
Marcus Hart (10:38.84)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (10:39.057)
you know, let's speak about the shame cycle for a second, cause I think that's really important. first and foremost, when a brain is using a dysregulated pattern, you're not thinking clearly. You're not thinking calmly. You're not tapped into divine inspiration. You're out in the extremes, anxiety, shame. So a lot of the feelings that you have on the inside come from the dysregulated pattern. And when I work with clients, they tell me very clearly, I'm feeling better. You know, just when.
without doing anything else, your brain performs better, you can feel better. But at the same time, there's a discongruency that creates shame. Like when you're caught up in behaviors that don't reflect the person that you wanna be, that can give you a lot of shame too. And there's a doctor who wrote a book, it's called Power Versus Force. I think it's one of the coolest books ever. He talks about shame being the lowest level energy that can be in a nervous system.
Marcus Hart (11:29.132)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (11:35.448)
That's what we're dealing with. Shame is I'm bad. So I like to tell people, all you have to do is raise your energy a little and it raises it to guilt, which don't get me wrong. I don't want you feeling guilty, but guilt is, guilt's the feeling of I'm doing something that I don't like and I want to do something different. That can be the first step in the upward spiral. And then some people really are stuck in such a habit loop, which is a neuroscientific premise.
Marcus Hart (11:37.1)
Hmm.
Marcus Hart (11:43.116)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (11:46.53)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (11:57.24)
like that.
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (12:03.863)
they're so stuck in brain dysfunction, which gives them the behavior, which gives them the shame and makes them not focus and they're angry and they're irritable and back to more explicit matter. So that's the feedback loop. It's called a negative feedback loop. And for some people, the only way out is to disrupt it and to pattern interrupt. And really that's where my work comes in. If you're stuck in a cycle and you've tried to do it by yourself and you can't, you're like, okay, you know.
This explicit matter's not serving me anymore. It's giving me all the things that lady said. You know, then, and if you just can't do it, when I work with people, we start moving the brain at an unconscious level, which most people don't know this can be done. Technology can, it's just like a workout. It's like a workout for your brain that can make your brain stronger and move it in the direction of optimization. From there, now you can break that loop with your mind and body. Cause your brain's stronger. It's working better.
Marcus Hart (12:48.578)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (12:53.847)
Hmm.
Marcus Hart (13:00.138)
Yeah, I'm just going back to referencing like, you know, how you, you know, pictured shame and guilt, you know, how you want to rise people to the level of guilt to make changes, you know, to, you know, see, see the mirror, you know, I guess we physically see the mirror. So I had this picture in my head of like, you know, someone hiding in the cave and, then, you know, and that's shame. And then they finally come up to the surface and they realized, it was.
It's light out here and I'm dirty. let me do it.
Dr. Trish Leigh (13:32.162)
Yes. Yeah. And to speak to that, like just to be really clear, I don't want you to stay in guilt. I love that analogy. I love that because shame is you're in the cave. Guilt is you like, you pulled back the rock that has you in there and you can see this isn't me. You know, this is a cave. This isn't fundamentally me. And the highest resonating energy is peace and love is just below that. like,
Marcus Hart (13:38.326)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (13:45.89)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (13:56.098)
Yes.
Dr. Trish Leigh (13:58.774)
My actual goal is to help people rise to love, peace, and purpose. Like that's the light when you get out of the cave fully and you're engaged in your contribution to humanity. Not only are you enjoying yourself, which is different than just being pleasure driven and seeking pleasure all the time. Pleasure is just escapism. It's not joy and happiness. It's take the edge off, help me escape.
You know, help me dissociate through high levels of pleasure. But you know, the, the real deal is your God given purpose. You know what it is. You have the courage to do it. Even if your mother, your brother, your uncle doesn't like it, you still have the courage, you know, going back to the passion project. I went and I told my husband, I'm like, I am working on something. I'm pretty sure you're not going to like, said, do you want me to tell you? And he knew he would say some negative stuff and try to shut me down.
And he's like, don't tell me. At least he had the, the, self-awareness, but that was like in October and on New Year's day, you know, I don't keep things from him on New Year's day. I'm like, have to tell you, cause I already had some other things in motion. I'm like, I have to tell you whether you like it or not. And. You know, that's, that's what I've been called to do. I actually was so excited, even though, you know, I take a lot of flak for it. have a lot of people who don't enjoy my message, but.
Marcus Hart (14:58.838)
Yeah, just good.
Marcus Hart (15:05.558)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (15:20.929)
That's why it's important to know it's truth, but that doesn't deter me because when you know this is what you were here and this is how you help people and this is how you serve, you're good with that.
Marcus Hart (15:30.838)
Yeah. First off, I want to say you got an amazing husband to be able to realize, I don't want to put any negativity in the air. So let her do her thing. Man, that's very great and inspiring. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (15:35.085)
You
Dr. Trish Leigh (15:40.834)
Yeah. It's great, right? I do the same thing. And I talk about it in the book. We have grown out of a very codependent relationship into an interdependent relationship. And it's not always easy for us, but like we are trying to be, we're so much better than we were in the past. And we now know we are always on a journey of showing up for each other in that way. It's super important.
Marcus Hart (15:49.258)
Yeah, I love that.
Marcus Hart (16:03.864)
That's important. Yeah. Now, going back to like, you you saying that porn addiction hits the brain like drugs, you know, messing with dopamine and the prefrontal cortex. Maybe you'll unpack that a little bit more for us. even like going to how it's hijacking our God given wiring and what's one step to fight back.
Dr. Trish Leigh (16:20.023)
Sure.
Dr. Trish Leigh (16:28.033)
Yeah, definitely. And that's why I like people to know there is an opt, there's an optimized brain pattern. It's been identified through science. That optimized brain pattern allows you to feel calm, but alert and focused basically all the time, which that's the spice of life. That's our God given natural evolutionary design. That's the, you know, that's the marriage between science and faith. You know, that's what we're designed to do is to be calm, to be focused, to be able to be present.
you know, with our people to be able to serve. But when that system gets hijacked and there's a lot of science that shows that porn hijacks it through dopamine and through opioids, painkillers. So like when you're in a position like you're talking about in the military, you know, you're looking for high levels of pleasure to escape and an internalized, you know, kind of painkiller button that you can hit whenever you need to take the edge off pain. We know this. So that system and we can
Marcus Hart (16:58.391)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (17:26.175)
mostly focus on that reward center and reward pathways. The reward center is in the midbrain. That's where kind of pleasure is processed through dopamine receptors, which become desensitized, fried for the easy way of understanding. When you go to high levels of dopamine from pleasure, when, you know, if you're consuming porn or explicit matter, it's a super normal stimulus. It floods your reward center.
The reward pathways feed forward to your prefrontal cortex and the frontal lobe. That's what makes us different from animals, right? Our developed brain, the neocortex it's called, but executive function skills are up there. Planning, organization, focus, working memory, social skills, socialization, impulse control, judgment. So when they become desensitized, those abilities no longer are
Marcus Hart (18:00.906)
Mm-hmm, yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (18:22.529)
being performed in a way that they would if your brain hadn't been hijacked. And the hijacking basically makes you go back for more dopamine because dopamine actually is characterized as the molecule of motivation more in pleasure. It motivates you back for more pleasure where you got it. And you know what that does? Now there's no pleasure seen in your work anymore. You're off purpose. There's not enough dopamine in your relationship.
Marcus Hart (18:46.602)
Mm-mm. No. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (18:51.541)
satisfaction goes down. You don't want to be with your partner anymore because you want high levels of dopamine. Your hobbies don't do it for you anymore. Life loses what it would have been for you if you didn't have that experience with porn. And that's the tragedy to me.
Marcus Hart (19:08.76)
Yeah, is. That's very insightful. And I see how it kind of parallels, you know, people with porn addiction, you know, and how it parallels with like people who start off very polygamous. And then when they have to transition into like, you know, settling down and being with a partner, it's kind of hard to find that joy and that pleasure, you know, just being with one person because constantly jumping from one person to the other, you know, is like kind of similar to like, you know, getting that quick hit from the porn.
Dr. Trish Leigh (19:38.318)
Yeah, 100%. And I'm glad you brought it up because I actually know some of the science on polyamory, you know, which I wouldn't even characterize it as that. But yeah, that's absolutely high levels of pleasure. It's like taking the super normal stimulus of porn that's in the screen and trying to experience it in real life. And when people have understanding about their behaviors in that way, they realize that's what they're trying to do. I actually did a podcast with a young man. I don't remember his name. was a long time ago.
Marcus Hart (19:38.714)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (19:44.562)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (19:52.696)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (19:56.792)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (20:02.283)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (20:06.359)
But he was talking about the difference between, you know, being with a lot of people versus having one partner. But after the journey is complete and the brain's regulated, you see you're just like a rat in the maze trying to hit as many of the dopamine levers, you know, like in the scientific studies, trying to hit that dopamine lever more and more and more and more. And it is, it's novelty seeking. It's, you know, trying to get a three ring circus going in terms of sexual pleasure.
Marcus Hart (20:20.297)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (20:33.4)
Yeah. Yeah, and you know, and the reason I can speak to that because, know, I definitely struggle with that and, you know, and I'm having my time right now trying to like, you know, really.
step out more from that and have overcome it, but yet I'm still having that trouble in my Monacanese relationship currently right now. Because I see that these years of just sleeping around has really caused a lot of damage to my ability to be one person. It's a terrible thing that most men, yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (21:09.601)
Yep. That means your brain still has, it means like that's a sign not to, you know, to call you out, but you did mention it first. to, to exactly, but to kind of point out, like if, when I work with people, if they still have like this feeling inside or, know, a lot of times it's just fantasy. So your brain keeps taking you to fantasy of what you've experienced in the past or what you've seen in porn in the past or what you want to experience.
Marcus Hart (21:16.824)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, okay. I raised my hand.
Marcus Hart (21:31.82)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (21:39.33)
when your brain calls you back to fantasy, it's because it's looking for the dopamine hit. And honestly, it's not at all about the thing that it's associated with. It's about the fact that it got associated with that behavior, that person, that scene, that scenario, that thing. It's what the dopamine got linked to. And then if you're still experiencing it, there's still room for improvement in your brain performance pattern. And you'd be able to see it. So the cool thing when I work with people,
Marcus Hart (21:44.781)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (22:08.127)
All my work is measurable. The Q E G at the beginning, measurable. But then the way that it works is in my app, set a protocol specifically for what the person's brain shows me they need to get to that optimal pattern. And when I set it every single time they do a session, there's graphs and charts that show them that their brain is improving and where it started, where they are now and how far away it is from optimal. So that's so cool because
Marcus Hart (22:34.2)
This is great. Yeah, it is. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (22:35.903)
You're, you always know your brain's getting better. You feel it, but you can see it too in the data.
Marcus Hart (22:41.176)
that makes so much more sense and it really helps when you have that visual, because we can't see it on outside without a brain scan of what's really changing as we progress in our healing journey. So I think that's so cool. Yeah, that's a real good one. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (22:57.261)
Yeah. And it can be demotivating. know how that goes. It's kind of like weight loss, I guess, is an easy way to think about it where it is like, you know, like if you don't feel yourself getting more fit, it's hard to keep working out like, you know, until finally you measure, you know, and you know, you can lift stronger weights. know, your waist has decreased. You step on the scale. You measure the metrics. I did lose five pounds, even though you might not feel it yet. That's what keeps you going so that you can get all the weight.
Marcus Hart (23:09.153)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (23:25.645)
to stopping the downward spiral and creating the upward one and keep going.
Marcus Hart (23:30.176)
And once again, it just goes back to that scene that people want the... People been kind of trained to want those quick results, that immediate gratification. Gratification. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (23:43.224)
Gratification. It's about, mean, absolutely not to finish your sentence, it's all about dopamine is the molecule of instant gratification. you're totally right. People have lost the ability to engage in something for delayed gratification, you know, and that's what social media has done. Social media itself is a super normal stimulus scrolling, seeking, just scrolling through to find something else that might be a little bit more entertaining. That's a dopamine behavior.
Marcus Hart (23:53.036)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (24:13.611)
and executive function is doing something that takes more time. You get little tiny dopamine hits on your way to the larger goal, which then gives you a bigger dopamine hit, but again, still nowhere near what porn or hypersexuality would give you.
Marcus Hart (24:32.042)
and damn them TikTok reels. Yes. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (24:34.221)
Yeah, exactly. I just, I just got done making a video for my YouTube channel. I'm wearing the shirt mint where, you know, it's like, TikTok is just designed to ramp up emotional chaos. So like, if you keep watching things that are doing that to your mind, you're actually miswiring your brain to want more and more of it. that's reinforcing the neurological dysregulation that's caused in the first, in the first place. And just to expand on that, since I mentioned it,
Marcus Hart (24:46.156)
Yeah, it is.
Dr. Trish Leigh (25:03.925)
We know that the brain changes in the first one to two exposures. When in the first exposure, if you get a lot of dopamine when you're young, because usually it's in adolescence, your brain goes, whoa, what was that? It was a ton of dopamine. I've never had this before. I now need extra dopamine to feel the same way. So by the time you go back for the second exposure, you now need more dopamine than the first. And then it goes from there. That's tolerance building.
So, you you used to be able to go on TikTok for five minutes and feel good. Now you have to go on for 15 or porn, especially, you know, porn escalates and we know it's tolerance building escalation. Now you need more frequency, more consistency, higher level of intensity of whatever you're watching or experiencing.
Marcus Hart (25:40.854)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (25:53.202)
That's fire, Dr. Tristan, for that insight. Thank you. So like, you know, your book, Mind Over Explicit Matters, it lays out this four phase roadmap. You how is it helping folks break addiction and rebuild intimacy? And where can Transformers grab it?
Dr. Trish Leigh (25:59.682)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (26:09.089)
Yeah. So it's available anywhere you get books, but most easily on Amazon. you can go over to my website, drtrishleigh.com and there there's a tab that says book and you can just click that and there's a bunch of information about it there. but it's helping people to understand, you know, the first section helps you understand all the damage. And, know, I know I've gotten a lot of feedback from people where they read through it and they're like, I feel like you have written that book for me.
Actually, some people have written in, this is a true story, wanting to know who the book's about. And of course I'm protecting the identity of anybody and I have their permission, but it's not the people who are emailing in. the point is they feel like I've just wrote, written that book about them because it's such a relatable experience. So, you know, they read through the symptoms, less relationship satisfaction. They can't find a partner. They're caught in isolation and escapism.
They have difficulty relating with people on a social level. They're caught in that loop. But then, then in the next section, it's, you can unwire this, you can step away and it starts with regulating your brain. Then I think the most exciting part is learning all the things you can do to rewire your brain. There's so many of them. Some of the things are logical that people know about like exercise, right?
You have to exercise, keeps your body fit, but it keeps your brain fit too. People might not understand that part, but there's a lot of things you can do that synergize. People always ask me, how long does it take for a brain to rewire? And I always say it's not about time, it's about training. That's what that rewiring does. The more you do, the faster you can rewire your brain. But then you know the thing that's probably going to try to derail your progress. It's stress.
Marcus Hart (27:47.341)
again.
Marcus Hart (27:55.377)
Mm-hmm
Dr. Trish Leigh (27:57.622)
So in the hardware section, I try to help people build the foundation of a lifestyle that is as least stressful as possible. And if you have seven kids and having five kids, you know, that's not the lifestyle. But if you're in that lifestyle, then you learn how to mitigate stress. learn, I mean, honestly, with a better brain, you just show up in more peace and presence and it's easier. And then from there, you...
Marcus Hart (28:09.048)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (28:13.73)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (28:22.433)
You know, have the courage to live the life that you want. And when stress tries to take you out, you have a toolbox of how to deal with it. That's a, that's a recipe right there. Unwire, rewire, hardwire, right off into the sunset.
Marcus Hart (28:31.096)
It is.
Yeah, you know, and speaking of like just personal, I just want to point at those out there, you know, what's your struggle, know, Transformers, you know, Dr. Tris is bringing it, you know, let's make this hit home today. So, you know, I definitely want to like, you know, I know it kept you longer than what we talked about initially. This is a great conversation. I'm getting so much energy. I love discussing a conversation in topics like this, know, you know, so but yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (28:53.057)
Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, good. Thanks.
Dr. Trish Leigh (29:02.295)
Yeah, me too.
Marcus Hart (29:04.588)
But the question that I like to give you before we kind of wrap up here is picture a transformer, maybe a vet, a dad, a leader who's burned out and stuck in a secret struggle. What's one scripture or faith practice that you would recommend that they pair with your brain heads to lift them up?
Dr. Trish Leigh (29:23.051)
Yeah. this is great because I just visited my brother-in-law over the weekend and he was, he and my husband were in a deep conversation about Saint Tom, about not saying, but Thomas Aquinas, and his summa theologica. So basically this, as they were discussing and I'm like, this is what I tell, share with people that I encourage them to do. And to put it into a very simplified practice.
Marcus Hart (29:36.119)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (29:51.49)
You know, I think if you don't have a solid morning routine that includes, you know, not only meditation time, but also reading works that feed your soul and reconnect you every single day. Because if you then go into the world, it threatens to disconnect you from that divine connection and that purpose that you set out. And especially if you're engaging with social media,
Marcus Hart (29:55.928)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Trish Leigh (30:17.729)
think about this, know, if you're following people, we call them influencers. Like, let's make sure the people who you're following are influencing you in the direction that you want to go. Because if not, you're following somebody who is influencing you in the opposite direction of your goals. When you start with a solid morning routine, it anchors you into that. Like every morning I get up, have, I don't miss it. Like literally.
Marcus Hart (30:27.954)
Yes.
Dr. Trish Leigh (30:42.891)
the house can be burning down, I'm not gonna miss this morning routine because I know my ability to deal with the house burning down depends on it, is you remind yourself, it's how do I serve? Like whatever happens today, help me show up for it. Who needs to hear from me? Use all of that from inside and don't let the world derail you, especially social media and explicit matter.
Marcus Hart (31:09.354)
Wow, know, Dr. Lane, if we took everything you said on today's episode and we threw it in the cave, we create diamonds. Yeah, we have diamonds, man. You know, this is great. You know, you know, I really appreciate it. You know, we definitely got to have you back, you know, if you open to it. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (31:17.601)
Yeah, definitely, definitely. that's, yeah, I love it. I love it. It's so cool.
Yeah, definitely. I would love to. Yeah, especially dive in, dive in deeper to, uh, you know, the new book that of course, get the, get the current book that's out. It's just hot off the press, but, uh, the new book is really looking at, you know, how social media use disrupts your real life relationships. And, know, I think that applies to just about everybody, unless you're being super intentional. The way I talk about it is you have to be a top 1 % person. If you're here, if you're a transformer, you're
Marcus Hart (31:30.84)
Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (31:55.245)
a top 1 % person. So really being careful about your social media use, that's going to take you the long way.
Marcus Hart (32:04.408)
So tell us where we can find your podcast and how we can connect with you if you have any further questions or things that we wanna... Okay.
Dr. Trish Leigh (32:12.161)
Yeah, for sure. Everything's on my website. It's drtrishleigh.com. And if you go there and there's a link to my YouTube channel, there's over 2000 videos that help the journey. They all have brain hack strategies to them. My podcast is there. Everything's there.
Marcus Hart (32:28.682)
It is so much simpler when you just have one website where everything is there. Yeah.
Dr. Trish Leigh (32:32.325)
Exactly. It all roads lead, right? All roads lead and you can go there and it takes you out to all the social media. you know, so you can go there. It's easy peasy.
Marcus Hart (32:38.942)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I just started doing that, that practice this year, you know, I might as just get a website with my name, you know, just put everything in there. So it just makes more sense. Yeah. Yeah, it is.
Dr. Trish Leigh (32:50.145)
Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Especially, you know, if you're on a mission, it's important, you know, and I think it's challenging, like, you know, back to the journey thing real quick is that, you know, some of it can feel like egoic, you know, like your ego and you're, you're looking to get props for doing so, but that's not it. You're here to serve. So you have to make it easy to be able to do that and to connect with people.
Marcus Hart (33:02.198)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (33:07.778)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (33:12.266)
Excellent. Well, Transformers, Dr. Trish Lane just dropped the roadmap to freedom, faith in neuroscience and hand in hand. know, key takeaways today, your brain can heal. Shame doesn't own you and God's got your back, most importantly. Dr. Trish, you know, we really appreciate you, you know, and those out there. Make sure you do grab her book at drtrishlane.com and
Dr. Trish Leigh (33:15.681)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (33:35.798)
Make sure you subscribe to her YouTube channel, podcast, and anything else she got coming up. It's a game changer for breaking addiction and rebuilding intimacy. start with the journey today. You can also download my free three minute prayer guide at marcus-hart.com to calm your soul in addition to what Dr. Trish has to offer.
And like, subscribe, comment below what's one step you're taking to break free. Share this episode with someone who needs it. Join us again on Sunday and till then, many blessings, peace and lots of love.
Dr. Trish Leigh (34:13.006)
Awesome.
