Marcus Hart (00:01.046)
Yo, Transform You family, Marcus Hard here coming at you with some shameless Jesus love and gritty truth. Today, we are going to be kicking off a brand new series, Fade to Black, how Hollywood's legends are rewriting their final act. And it's about to set your soul on fire. Picture this, Michael Douglas, a Hollywood icon, just dropped a bond shell worrying about dropping dead on set.
He's feeling the weight of age in an industry obsessed with youth. Sound familiar? Rather you are a vet battling PTSD, a creative face and career burnout, or a hope seeker wondering if your best days are gone. This series is for you. Are Hollywood's legends really fading to black? Or are they pulling off the greatest reinviction yet?
Our guest, Patrice Williams-Lindo, workforce futurist and CEO of Career Nomad is here to spill the secrets. She has helped pros stay relevant for 20 years and family. She's got the playbook to keep you shining no matter your age or stage. Are you ready to rewrite your final act? Let's dive in.
Marcus Hart (00:00.832)
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Marcus Hart (00:01.132)
Patrice, welcome officially to the Transform You Live show.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (00:04.439)
Thank you so much Marcus for having me. I'm looking forward to our conversation.
Marcus Hart (00:08.372)
Absolutely. And as I was saying on the other side, you're an incredible person. You're a visible strategist who's standing for business insider and newsweek dropping wisdom on how pros stay relevant without losing their soul. So I'm hyped to kick off the series with you. Let's get real for our creatives, our veterans out there and chain seekers who's out here grinding like us to the transition. Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (00:19.905)
Yes.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (00:24.064)
Yes.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (00:32.562)
because you know that's what it is, right? That's exactly what it is. But how can we grind on our terms, right? So that it doesn't even feel like a grind. And that's what I'm discovering about myself, Marcus. So I'm excited to talk to you about it.
Marcus Hart (00:38.871)
Right.
Marcus Hart (00:45.568)
Yeah. So, so what you do really correlates to like this conversation. I want to jump into the Hollywood hustle and what it means to stay in the game. So you, you got this Faded White vibe, you know, like you're supposed to vanish when you hit a certain age, like Michael Douglas, for example, he's out there talking about dropping dead on set. That's crazy.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (01:00.053)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (01:06.157)
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, you know, it's so funny. I remember when I sound like my parents when I was younger and I was like, oh, 40, like, I'm old people, you know, or 50, God forbid, my grandparents, I didn't even know how old they were. They were just old. And at the ripe old age of 52, I'm like, well, I got some more things to do, you know what I mean? So, you know, I, I, um.
Marcus Hart (01:08.544)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (01:18.358)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (01:27.636)
Exactly, it's not over with yet.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (01:34.455)
What's the word? I really can clock in to when I have tapped into what I like and then expand on that. How can I make it bigger? And that it was when I had the space to do that, right? Because I think life, life, you know, whether you have children or family, know, aging parents, there's not always space to really hear, right? Within your own self, what those things are. And I would say it's something that started once my, well, I my mom do it.
Marcus Hart (01:54.731)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (02:03.711)
once my sister and I were going off to college, she was like, okay, they're going off, like, I'm gonna go back and finish. So I kind of had that already in my DNA, right? And then as my own children began middle and high school, I was like, well, let's look at this clock now, they're gonna be out of here six years, like, girl, you're not sitting at the house knitting, you know, like, what are you gonna do from not only a...
Marcus Hart (02:04.097)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (02:12.107)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (02:24.2)
Get it.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (02:29.023)
I'd like to keep it moving perspective and growing, but also financial, right? Because we're not independently wealthy and we're working on it, right? What does that look like? And I just didn't want to have my back up against the wall. So I am a hundred percent for this new, I'm going to say pivot season, evolution, whatever you want to call it, because now we have the wisdom on top of the experience. And that's when I think we really know what our nos are. No, our yes is our yes.
Marcus Hart (02:33.92)
Right.
Marcus Hart (02:48.48)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (02:57.938)
And we have boundaries, right, which helps everywhere.
Marcus Hart (02:59.489)
Well, you're definitely speaking the language and for so many out there who's been in your position and those who in their mid-career, professionals out there, especially Hollywood professionals, grumbling career longevity in Hollywood, is it pressure to like kind of stay relevant, like secretly killing careers faster?
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (03:07.53)
Yes.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (03:14.188)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
my goodness. my goodness. So well, first of all, let's just say something because we know that this is what it is. Hollywood sells the myth of youth, right? But longevity, know, stick-to-itiveness, staying around comes from reinvention. So let's talk about Method Man, for example.
Marcus Hart (03:39.968)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (03:41.868)
I remember him when I was in college and now I'm like, okay man, you better go out there and get these people money and he can still go to the club, you know what I mean, and handle his business. And that's only one example, right? So I'm going to say, yes, they sell the idea of youth, but it's up to us. We have the agency. I'm gonna say, especially as people of color, we know how to do a few things. Like we know how to make it, you know, do what it do as they say. So what does that look like? So as I work with different, whether they're creatives,
Marcus Hart (03:45.921)
Yeah, yeah. Right.
Marcus Hart (04:00.481)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (04:04.288)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (04:11.488)
public figures, you know, soon to be like, they probably spent their whole career being quiet. And now, you know, they want to go be a DJ or they want to be a coach or they want to do whatever their second thing is. I helped them by evolving what they already have. So I tell them, we're not starting from zero. We start from where you are and what can we use? So this is the 2025 version of, know how they say you can use a chat, GPT, open your fridge and you can say, what am I going to cook for dinner in three steps, right?
Marcus Hart (04:19.286)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (04:37.139)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (04:39.093)
I'm showing them that version of themselves and something that they enjoy. And you give them the encouragement and I'm gonna say more support because they know how to do it. Once you kind of get them on the bicycle and they start peddling, they kind of understand what that looks like. But how can we not erase the past but build on it? Because sometimes when people feel like, my God, pivot, they hear the word pivot.
Marcus Hart (04:50.433)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (05:05.427)
or start over and they think, my gosh, I just don't even have it. I may as well just stay where I am. Well, no, this is not the stay where you are. It's like, excuse me, how can you grow from where you are? So I call it like career composting. So basically nothing is wasted, right? You can turn your previous roles, the awards, know, the things you liked, the things you didn't like and frame that into something new, right? New revenue. So for example,
Marcus Hart (05:10.753)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (05:19.841)
That's a good one. Right.
Marcus Hart (05:32.938)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (05:34.705)
I spend, I still have a nine to five and I'm doing my five to nine, but I started out as a teacher. I've worked in medical sales. I've worked in clinical roles in the hospital. And I really had to go through that plus going to school to really understand, what parts of this do I really like? Like, what do I really like? And I like the people aspect of it. And here's the funny part. I'm an introvert.
Marcus Hart (05:53.536)
Right.
Marcus Hart (05:56.929)
Mm-hmm.
Me too. I get it. Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (06:01.338)
I do not people will, but that's not true. I need to stop saying that. So I tell people, I say, I'm an extroverted introvert in the sense that situationally I can make it happen. But you know, my husband and I were laughing Marcus after all day of talking and he talks all day for work too. We're so quiet. So when people come around and say like, what's wrong? We're like nothing. We just talk all day. So by the end of the day, we are like, talked out. We're like, what are you for dinner? Anything going on?
Marcus Hart (06:08.543)
Yeah, I say pseudo.
Marcus Hart (06:23.681)
you
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (06:31.08)
You know, like on a rare occasion we may go out or something, we really, we've learned how to communicate without talking as much because that's what we do for work. And I realized like, so my instrument is my voice. My instrument is my ability to take complex concepts and break them down into bite-sized pieces so that the average person can understand it. Why?
Marcus Hart (06:38.592)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (06:58.034)
because for a long time, markets just being completely transparent, I felt dumb in a lot of rooms. I was like, I don't know what the hell these people are saying. And how can I figure this out? And so I would go home and try to catch up and read through and get ready, whether it was in a new role, whether it was in college, whatever the case might be. Then as I got older, Marcus, realized, well, wait a minute. If you know this, for example, new position is coming up, or if you know you're taking a new class, I found for me,
The beauty of time helps me to quiet that part of my brain that's saying, you're not qualified, you shouldn't be there, you're not smart enough, whatever the case might be. So for example, last week I spoke at the Urban League, I've had my slides ready like three weeks ago. And then I just casually read them over and over. So it kind of becomes ingrained. And then the day of, I get a good night's sleep and then I get up, I read through and boom, it's like, but.
Marcus Hart (07:30.324)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (07:53.297)
That leads me to me when last minute things comes in, right? But my normal is get it done early, know, working into my system, my mental ecosystem that keeps my anxiety at bay. And then I go in and pop my call. I'm like, okay, let's go. You know what I mean? It's different, but it took me like 40 years to figure that out. And so because I didn't do it like other people, I thought I was doing something wrong. I thought, well, you know, I'm not like these people over there.
Marcus Hart (08:14.529)
care.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (08:22.474)
And that's not true. You need the space to understand how you learn, how you thrive. know, what are the things that you can or can't do to, I'm gonna say deal with the demons you have, right? So for me, I get anxious, right? I have performance anxiety or I start to question what in last minute situations, especially if that's like the order of the day. Like one Z, two Z, I got room because I've done all my other stuff. But like even talking with you since you and I have spoken,
Marcus Hart (08:34.997)
him.
Right.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (08:51.783)
Like I put down my talking points. It was very much like, okay, like when you reached out yesterday to remind me, was like, yep, I got that. But had you called me today, I've been like, ooh, what am I going to talk him about? know, but I just try to safeguard myself, right? And talk about boundaries. That's how boundaries come in. So that's what I encourage people to do because everybody's not the same. And so as they are career composting, as I was telling you about, what are the things that make you thrive? What are the things not so much for me?
Pressure with time, I don't thrive, especially if it's long term. If it's a hit it, you know, you can move on, then that's fine. But if it's constant, it just doesn't work. So we just have to realize that just like that, success in Hollywood isn't just about staying hot. It's about staying relevant. It's about knowing yourself. It means knowing how you can reposition your value as your life and your audience, whoever that may be, and decision makers evolve.
Marcus Hart (09:23.265)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (09:39.435)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (09:50.897)
because the people that you may have been worried about 20 years ago are not the ones you're talking to now, for example, if you've grown, you know. And if we stick with the Method Man example, who knew Method Man was gonna be on power and look so good doing it?
Marcus Hart (09:56.267)
Right.
Marcus Hart (10:02.337)
Oh, he did a good job. Excellent, Yes. Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (10:06.854)
I mean, he kind of figured it out. And I mean, I don't know what he was doing in between, because he started doing movies. And I remember, I'm gonna date myself, but in the 90s when rappers went to movies, we were like, Lord, what is this? What kind of foolishness is this? And he had a couple foolish ones. mean, but we laugh about them now. You know what I mean? But he's definitely honed his craft. He's definitely figured out how to make it do what it needs to do. And he's not the only one, but he's the one that I always look at. And I'm like, he's in my age group. He figuring some stuff out.
Marcus Hart (10:16.606)
You
Marcus Hart (10:20.329)
right
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (10:36.195)
And he's doing it in the creative way, meaning like my creative is corporate, right? His creative is art. And I was like, okay, so like, are the parts, like if you are a musician, like is acting your next thing? know, is brand sponsorship your next thing? You know, like what is it? And getting ahead of that and trying to come up with a plan that leaves you room to grow.
Marcus Hart (10:41.323)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (11:00.705)
I love that. You cooking Patrice, you cooking. Yeah. mean, going back to just like where you started with like, you know, being an introvert, you know, and then you really reached down deeper and you discover what your true passions are, what you really skilled at. And then you add in the lived experience. You know, you can definitely recreate yourself a lot more easier. It can be a lot more smoother transition because
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (11:01.724)
Yes. Well, good. I'm glad. I'm glad.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (11:23.323)
Yes.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (11:26.821)
Yes. Yes.
Marcus Hart (11:29.173)
you know, those skills, that live experience, you know, it can just transition over to any place, know, and you don't, yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (11:36.7)
yeah, yeah. And you learn to give yourself some more grace too, because I feel like when I was younger, I felt like I couldn't fail. Whereas now I'm kind of like, okay, well, that didn't go how I thought it would or dang, I knocked that out of the park. Didn't expect that. But for me anyway, with therapy and living, it's like, I've learned to say, is there blood on the floor? it's not blood on the floor. We all right, like let's go. And it's not always as cut and dry as that, but again, it helps to quiet that voice of,
Marcus Hart (11:40.245)
Yeah, you do.
Right.
Marcus Hart (11:56.864)
Mmm. Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (12:06.398)
my God, what am I doing? I shouldn't be doing this. I should've just stuck to what I'm used to doing or know how to do. But if you can help yourself to find the tools that you need, then reinventing yourself becomes a little more straight back. You're like, listen, I don't know if this is gonna fly or not, but this is my initial thought and this is what I'm gonna try. Or you go, you put yourself out there. At the beginning of this year, I was like, you know,
Marcus Hart (12:27.68)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (12:35.039)
I have been speaking a little bit and I've been coaching and you know I'm doing this 95 but I want to get visible. It's like okay, okay girl what you gonna do? And so I started investigating and I had maybe three media mentions last year, now I'm up to 150.
Marcus Hart (12:51.777)
Mm-hmm. Wow.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (12:55.303)
And it's a mix, right? It's articles, it's podcasts like this, which have led to more speaking engagements. And I was kind of like, oh, shoot. And I literally was just like, well, what's going to happen? Like you pitch these journalists, they don't have to take it. Like I've written now maybe close to 400 pitches, but if out of the 400 pitches, I have 150, I had three last year. I'm okay with that.
Marcus Hart (12:56.885)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (13:21.925)
Right? Look, think of the millions of eyes globally, right? That that, you know, you can do, and this is what reinvention looks like. It's messy. You don't know what you're going to get. And so it could be from, you know, the Rochester Journal that only applies in New York, but it could also be USA Today. You know, but it could also be Business Insider. You know, it could be, you know, on the podcast, anybody anywhere can listen to that. You just never know. And so when I decided that I wanted to have
Marcus Hart (13:30.422)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (13:51.975)
global impact, was like, well, I got to do global things. I was like, okay, so what are global things, girl? And I'm like, well, I don't know. Well, yes, you do. Give yourself some space. And literally, I was like, well, in print, right? Because I'm a reader. I was like, okay, well, maybe if I, because I know I've looked people up in things based on what I read and what I consider reputable publishing houses. So was like, if I do that, then that could help me kind of get my name in rooms that I'm not in.
Marcus Hart (13:55.147)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (14:12.235)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (14:21.242)
to help build that credibility. You know what I mean? It expands my audience and in a way that, you know, I'm not saying a team can do it, but the internet is a good worker for you if you do it right, right? And so that's why I'm saying, you know, that evolution, you just have to have, I think the grace and the courage, but within, right? To be able to do it. Because some people will be like, well, a hundred figure out the 400 is not good stats, girl. Yes it is. When it was three last year.
Marcus Hart (14:43.167)
Right.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (14:52.505)
Yes it is when you can say millions of people have seen your name in print.
So it just depends. You learn to evolve your success.
Marcus Hart (15:02.053)
Yeah, definitely. You're lighting it up. just speaking of evolution, you talked about chat GPT earlier, you mentioned it earlier. People would say that's the big disruptor, shaking up things in Hollywood or else AI, is it a threat or a game changer?
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (15:13.497)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
I think it depends on how you use it, right? So I'm gonna say, number one, wine. Is it a threat or a game changer? But if you like wine, in moderation, it's a game changer. You and your girls or boys out, y'all having a good time, you let it go. You drink every day, all day, it's a threat. So I think it's everything in moderation. So AI, for example, is not just for Gen Z or the Zillennials or all the names they wanna give it.
Marcus Hart (15:38.794)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (15:47.745)
it can be a creative amplifier for season pros. So for example, on my nine to five, if I got an email to write, baby, I get on chat dbt, I'm like, okay, so here are the meeting notes. This is what I want out of it. What are the follow-up actions? What are the questions that we need to ask? What are next steps? Who's responsible for this? Are there any blind spots? Anything I didn't think of? Anybody I missed? I mean, literally it's like my virtual assistant.
But like I can dictate and it gives me an answer. And if it gets it wrong, cause sometimes they do hallucinate. I can like, no, I teach it. I'm like, okay, you know, my voice, my voice is based on, for example, I have this framework that call RNA. So don't forget rebranding networking and achieving recognition. And if it forgets, I start with, remember my framework. Remember when we had spoke to Justin, you know, it's like talking to my kids a little bit. I'm like, remember when we had did that and don't make no mistakes. Like, cause I'm gonna still check it over. Like I'm not just copying and pasting. I'm still reading through.
Marcus Hart (16:37.857)
Cheers.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (16:46.041)
But Marcus, I have been able to increase my productivity exponentially with it. Now, people say, well, what you putting in there? And you know, some people are uploading like their credit report and telling it what to say. No, I'm not doing that, Marcus. Now that, I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I'm not willing to put anything on there that will put me in danger. Now putting your finances on there, right? Your personal data information.
Marcus Hart (17:09.185)
Yes.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (17:13.731)
That is dangerous, right? But I think you can use, and I teach my clients this, you can use AI to create evergreen content. You can use AI to pre-purpose interviews and IP. You can create like digital products and courses. I mean, embracing the tech, right? You just don't know what it can do for you and it becomes a tool of sovereignty. So if, for example, you're a creative and let's say you used to, let's say be a comedian, right?
Marcus Hart (17:15.254)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (17:41.708)
And let's say you upload a couple of your films on there to say, OK, what can I do with this? You can say what publishing houses you should reach out to. What's the best way to use this old content? Should you be teaching a class, for example? You can ask it all the things like, or you can say, you know what? I don't know what to do with this, but I want to generate X number of a month. How can I use this? What would you recommend? And if you're an introvert like me,
What do you recommend so that I can see the least piece of people possible because it makes me anxious? Or what's my call script? Or what's the email script that I need to send out to new potential grandpunch partnerships or something? But again, it becomes that co-conspirator slash collaborator with you, right? Again, you don't have to have a degree in prompting, but I would talk to it in the same way that
Marcus Hart (18:26.859)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (18:40.598)
Like I talked to, like I said, my daughters, my good girlfriends, you know, you know, I was thinking such and thus and so. Or I say, you know, we got chicken in the fridge, but I'm tired of baked chicken. What was you, you know? And they'll say, well, you know, chicken or broccoli, jerk chicken, you know, whatever the case might be. But this not only tells you that it's like, and don't forget you need this, you need that, or this is how you can do it. Cause remember you don't like spending a lot of time in the kitchen. You know, I think it's as good as you make it. So it's not a threat.
Marcus Hart (18:53.855)
care.
Marcus Hart (19:05.601)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (19:09.334)
I think it's definitely an add-on that it benefits us because we also have the wisdom to say, well, I want it like this. I don't want it like that. This is too edgy or this is too bold or I need some steps in between. So for example, in my five to nine, I have a container that's a 90 day container and that container, you know, we do 90 days of the rebranding, well, 30 days of the rebranding, 30 days of the networking, 30 days of the achieving recognition. Well, I said to it, then I was like, you know,
Marcus Hart (19:28.737)
you
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (19:39.587)
Sometimes when I get with these 90 day people, I don't think I like them like that. Can we do a smaller version of this? And it came up with a 30 day power bootcamp. And so it's a skinny version of what I produce in the 90 days. It gave me, what do you call it? The details of the demographics, what to price it, how to market it. I have four people in that program. I did that in 24 hours.
Marcus Hart (19:53.409)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (20:03.969)
Wow.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (20:06.403)
Now, I mean, I'm not independently wealthy, right? But if I were thinking of that on my own, Marcus, can't, first of all, I don't know if I would have gotten there. Second of all, it would have been overwhelming to come up with like the copy to email. What does the program look like? What do I think it should cost? You know, who is my person, for example, to come into the 30 versus the 90? And how can I position it so that it creates that funnel, you know, so that once they have a discovery call with me, then they do it to that.
Marcus Hart (20:06.411)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (20:14.048)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (20:19.083)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (20:34.081)
So that's why I'm saying AI is an accelerator that creatives can use in that way too, because especially if they have a body of work, they can literally put parts of that body of work in their tool of choice. I just said chat, but we all have different tools and there's a mirage of tools. You can use the tools to generate your next or help be a part of generating your net.
Marcus Hart (20:48.885)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (20:57.953)
I love that. Yo, Patrice, you giving our family out there hope that AI ain't just a threat, it's a tool. licensing knowledge is a real good way, the real good practical way that you just shared that they can use AI. But the important part is what you mentioned is that you put your voice in there. You put what your structure is.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (21:00.446)
yes. yes. yes. yes.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (21:17.703)
yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (21:23.648)
Yep. Yep.
Marcus Hart (21:28.061)
And so to create like the most optimal content, know, so, yeah, yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (21:31.531)
yes, yeah, you can rewrite your script with AI. You really, really can. I mean, I just think that as older slash seasoned professionals, you can use AI to outlast and outsmart things like ageism, racism, you know, not that you completely gotten those off the table, but you help to skinny that because it takes the human element out, right? A lot of times by the time people get, for example, to my clients or to my program, they are so wooed, I could look like,
Marcus Hart (21:40.737)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (21:46.314)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (22:00.854)
damn, Matilda the Hun, and they don't even know, because they like, I need to work with her, like her. You you can create that, and it's not an abating switch way, it's just a, like I said, taking those things off the table, so it's really about what's in black and white, the results that you can produce, you know, and how you did it. And literally, I've always liked this, because as I was thinking about, for example, getting into consulting with my nine to five,
Marcus Hart (22:04.801)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (22:13.92)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (22:26.402)
It was the human version of this through a coach, know, and not a coach, what you call it, guidance counselor. When I was in my master's program, she was like, listen, you got these two master's degrees, what are you going to do with them? I was like, I don't know. And she goes, well, have you thought about consulting? I go, well, I'm not an engineer because I didn't know anybody that was in consulting, right? And I thought consulting was only like engineers or accountants, right? So I was thinking Pricewaterhouse and Ernst & Young. And so she goes, no, she goes every, every.
Marcus Hart (22:32.257)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (22:54.623)
company has an HR department, for example. With your degree, you can go teach. The way you taught in a school, you can use those same skills to teach in HR, for example. And she was like, once you get there, it could be product development. It could be product management. It could be innovation team. She was like, the world is your oyster. Do not think that teaching in somebody's classroom is the only way that you can use the skills and the knowledge that you've gotten from this education.
And so that was kind of what got my wheels turning. So now I was like, okay, so every time I do something, yes, learn it, but also think about the other ways, right? Always be thinking about the other ways that you can do it to up level, whether it's the position you're in, the money you're making, your level of autonomy, to the point where people are looking for you and you don't have to be out there looking. And I was like, okay, got it, noted. You know what I mean?
Marcus Hart (23:24.929)
Right.
Marcus Hart (23:42.699)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (23:48.651)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (23:49.899)
So I just think it's a way to really create your own lane. It's a way that you can use your tools to really multiply your reach, your money, your just the outcomes, the good you're putting in the world.
Marcus Hart (24:02.231)
huh. Yeah. So, so based on that, you, you, got this rebrand network achieve recognition framework, you know, you mentioned it earlier and that, that's straight fire. So, so for pros feeling too late or too old searching for career reinvention or personal branding, what's one practical step they can take to like design the work that fits their current season, monetizing experience.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (24:12.801)
Thank you
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (24:19.617)
Yes.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (24:29.759)
Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
Marcus Hart (24:31.263)
or maybe through coaching or media like you brought up.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (24:33.777)
Yes, yes, I think so. First thing is, if we just say, I won't say it's one thing, right? But you would pick from these things, right? The one at least that most lights you up, the one that you like, yeah, I could do that. So if you think about rebranding, how can you update your public narrative? Who are you now? Right? So if you think of, again, you know, what's the name? Method Man or even Sherri Shepherd, for example, because I'm talking about people in
you know, social media and that are seasoned. Like Sherri Shepherd was on the TV, right? And at acting, right? In sitcoms. Now she has her own talk show, for example, right? There are a lot of people that you, you know, it's become more common to go from whatever they did before to where they see themselves going. And a lot of times they'll be like, really? Like one of the couples that I've seen do it, do you know Deval and Kadine Ellis? Exactly. So Deval was in football.
Marcus Hart (25:28.821)
Yeah. Yeah, that's good example. Yeah. Uh-huh.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (25:32.949)
Khadid was doing makeup and I never forget when Devout was like and this is when I was watching them when they were still you know in New York in their apartment and they were on YouTube and I was like huh and he was like yeah I'm gonna act and I thought hmm. Not that he was bad but I just didn't know what it looked like but it got my attention I was like okay let me see what this looks like and then I saw when he went out to LA and then his family came in and I was like
Marcus Hart (25:49.813)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (25:58.209)
And I was like, wonder how they gonna live out there? What that money look like? Cause you know, they were normal. I mean, they are normal, but I'm just saying like, I didn't think they were independently wealthy. Like they were definitely working, you know, and they had small children and blah, blah. And then I saw when he got picked up by Tyler Perry and then he was doing like Christmas movies on Lifetime. I was like, okay, so this is another example of building your plane while you fly. And then I realized,
Marcus Hart (26:02.484)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (26:25.15)
His wife was the same. let me just tell you about the phenomenon. Tyler Perry fan 100%. I do watch some of his things, but it is struggle porn TV now. But listen, he getting that bread though, when ABC wouldn't talk to him, guess where he went?
Marcus Hart (26:30.465)
You
Yeah
Yeah, he is.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (26:42.77)
So that's what I'm saying, know, update your public narrative. Who are you now? And I'm going to say, who do you aspire to be? Isn't that who are you now? Because for me, I see myself now, like on the TEDx stage, I see myself now at like, I don't know, like huge conferences or on TV, you know, giving my opinion. But I saw that like a year and a half, two years ago.
before I saw it. So that's why I said, who are you now? It doesn't have to be in your physicality. It could be in your head. Where do you aspire to be? Where do you visualize yourself? So that's the rebrand piece. You have to see it in the mind before you see it in physical. You, you, you the person doing it. And then the second thing is for networking. So where do you have visibility without relationships per se and
in a way that you need to grow it. So I knew for me, like I was talking about visibility, like on platforms, right? In reading, like the mentions in the magazines, I literally was like, okay, how can I do that? So now I teach my clients like, okay, so what do you want to do? Like, and if you don't know, how can we get clarity? So I knew for me, yes, I could get clients. Yes, I love the work, but I also wanted to speak, right? I also wanted to kind of build my credibility. And so it would be,
Marcus Hart (27:42.582)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (28:01.941)
Right.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (28:05.949)
How can I create that visibility and the relationships needed to do that? Because without the relationships, it's not gonna happen. So I taught them how to build circles of influence. So for me, when I, for example, pitch a journalist, I connect with them on LinkedIn. I send them a thank you note when they say they read it. And for sure, if they publish, I repost and I tag them and I thank them. A lot of them will say like, they'll ask me for my personal email.
Marcus Hart (28:13.493)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (28:35.859)
I give them my personal email and I tell them they can text me if it's too much to call me so that they can get a sound bite. Again, build those circles of influence. Now this is not for the 150, right? Maybe 20, 30 of them though. Guess what? I didn't have last year. And who knows where that circle of influence will go. Now what does that cost you? Oops, sorry. What does that cost you, Marcus? That cost you time? You know, it cost you effort.
Marcus Hart (28:47.339)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (28:54.783)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (29:01.373)
that's time, Yeah, effort.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (29:04.893)
But I'm just at the point where, well, I don't know where this seed gonna go, but you plant seeds in your garden. And you don't always know if the birds gonna eat them, if weeds gonna take them over, or they may just bloom. So I go with that, almost that approach, that you just don't know what seed is gonna take root. And so that's what I teach them, circles of influence. So just to recap, rebranding is who are you now? And it could start here so that you could see it outside visualizing.
Marcus Hart (29:08.225)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. All the time.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (29:34.11)
Your network is relationships. Where are your circles of influence? And if you don't have them, where do you need to build them? And how can you build them? Right? And then the last one is achieving recognition. speaking to your own brilliance. Quiet that voice that will say, girl, you're doing too much. These people don't care. Quiet that voice and really become your own publicist. So for example, excuse me.
If you are talking about, let's say coaching, for example, or let's say you've gotten laid off and you're trying to figure out what your next season is going to be, there's parts of that job that you probably really love, for example, because again, I'm talking about start from where you are. So what are the parts of that job that you could potentially replicate that comes easy for you, but that's hard for other people? That's how things like Instacart started, Uber started, right? Personal chefing, right?
Marcus Hart (30:25.451)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (30:29.019)
Because somebody would have thought, I can't afford a personal chef 20 years ago. That was for rich people, right? But these days it's become democratized because somebody's like, well, I can do that in my neighborhood though. I can do that for like parties of the people that I know. And then it's friends, right? And then it's scale. So same thing with your recognition here. So for example, when I talk to my clients, for example, that were in nursing, let's just say nursing, for example, and they may not have been laid off, but they're burnt out.
Marcus Hart (30:34.241)
Thank you.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (30:58.501)
especially with COVID and the exposure and that sort of thing. Well, one of the things that one of them, well, two of them have decided to do something. One has decided that she wants to become a wellness educator. So she literally takes like all the things that she learned how to do and she teaches people online. What are the things that you as a woman of a certain age need to look for or what are products that you can use or what are certain tests you need to have?
Marcus Hart (31:01.877)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (31:11.435)
school.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (31:26.768)
Again, she's not diagnosing anybody. She's literally doing what she would do for herself, what she would do for her family, but spreading that platform and talking about her years of being a nurse and what she's seen and what happens at the other end if you don't take care of yourself. So she positions herself as an educator, for example, because that's what you end up having to do in the hospital. So people will be like, well, what you mean a nurse is an educator? No, any healthcare professional.
Marcus Hart (31:53.057)
They are. Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (31:54.929)
has to teach the patient, for example, going home, this is how you change your bandage, or this is the time you take your medicine. Again, things that come like second nature, but that you can scale. So that's why I say, be your own publish list and share your wins. So that's why since you and I talked, I would say probably three years ago, Marcus, I wouldn't have told you about the magazine articles. I would not have said anything about my clients. I would not say anything about, you know, job hopping to get to, you know, the nine to five. I hid.
my five to nine. And again, it comes from that place of A being scared, B not wanting to be rejected, C not knowing if it would work. And then you get to a place of like, how people not gonna find you. You got to open your mouth. So this is where they say closed mouths don't get fit. But also I will say that because I'm constantly evolving, I'm constantly growing. so the things that I used to think, well,
Marcus Hart (32:25.907)
huh.
Marcus Hart (32:40.833)
Exactly.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (32:55.45)
I'm like, no, we're to do this thing and see what happens. You know what I mean? so that's what I encourage them to do. like we started like, so tell me a win you had this week. So like a win that I had this week was I had a speaking event on Friday and a speaking event on Monday. And so I used, what's the word, the, the autonomy that I have in my nine to five to say, okay, I'm going to take calls from seven to 12.
Marcus Hart (32:58.965)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (33:20.848)
and then I'm gonna take the rest of the day, because I'm salaried, right? And so it's a quiet day. So whether it's administration, whether it's talking to you, whatever the case might be, but I'm going to be a good steward of my time and not look for work because I need to step away from that a little bit more and do more of this because I really found that even though I was in what, Cleveland, Thursday, Friday, and Florida yesterday, I was tired. I loved it, but I was tired. And so I was like, okay, I'm.
Marcus Hart (33:23.477)
Right.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (33:48.509)
figure this out and I'm not asking nobody permission now normally I'd be like, I do these people work you know I'd be on the computer you know and then I was like girl no you don't no you don't and I don't mean that in a slick way I just mean that I will get on the computer at 10 o'clock at night and they don't ask me about it then
Marcus Hart (33:57.29)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (34:09.254)
So if I'm getting my work done, and if my team is empowered to do what they need to do, then I can afford to step away. And it's not something I'm gonna do all the time. So that's why I said, that's how you can own your brilliance. Because for me to go out, for example, and have those two speaking engagements, again, I'm not a people person at the National Earth and me guys around, I don't know, like 10,000 people. I loved it, but I was also like.
Marcus Hart (34:15.947)
Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (34:27.339)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (34:34.401)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (34:35.258)
room you know I loved it but it was a lot right and then yesterday I was at another conference and I was around about 3,000 people which compared to the Urban League is smaller but it was still like okay you know so when I came home Monday night I was just like yeah I need some decompressing time owning that right because the other side of that is that
Marcus Hart (34:58.123)
Right.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (35:00.092)
You know, younger Patrice, you know, based on how I was raised, like, girl, you listen, you can rest when you die. You don't stop while they rest though. That's a lie. If you don't rest, you will die. So how are you going to work that in? You know what I mean? How are you going to really listen to your body before your body makes you listen? You know? And so that's why I said own your brilliance and what it takes to maintain that. Be your own publicist, be your own evangelist, but also share your wins because all those things will create.
Marcus Hart (35:11.094)
Yeah.
Marcus Hart (35:31.062)
I love it. You know, like, as you was talking, you know, I remember like how I'm still learning to like tell my story post-inconsolation, you know, it just ties to legacy. so like, I know there's a lot of people out there like, you know, besides myself too, that like, they wanna know how, you know, what's the question? The one question, this is probably the last question too that I asked you about, like, is.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (35:41.882)
Yeah, yes.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (35:55.82)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Marcus Hart (35:57.634)
What question do you ask yourself daily to stay grounded in purpose and just keep your legacy alive?
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (36:06.885)
What question did I ask myself?
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (36:11.739)
Do you love me? Me. Ask it me.
Because then based on the answer to that, which is yes, then I'm going to move a certain way. And I can think of times where I was like, girl, let's stop it. To me, me to me. And I would shut that down and I would go into mom mode, work mode, whatever. And it wasn't, I don't mean for myself harm place. I just mean that I didn't prioritize myself. So I start with, do you love me? Yeah, girl, you know how I do. Okay, let's go.
Marcus Hart (36:21.867)
Mm-hmm.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (36:41.669)
So it starts with meditation, it starts with music, it starts with movement, it starts with laughter, it starts with a good scrub in the shower. It starts with an extra 10 minutes in the shower I need. It may start with laying down a little bit longer. It may just be something, doing something for me that normally I would, my brain would make me think it's indulgent, whereas it's not. Because somebody that loves you is gonna go that extra mile.
So I'm asking myself, ready? You ready to do the extra mile for you? And so when I do that, I'm kind of like, yeah, girl. And that's whether I'm happy, I'm sad, know, kids driving me crazy. And then those things that used to drive me crazy don't when I start there. I can shake it off, right? And it's not that things aren't happening, but I can shake it off. You're like, listen, I'm in a good mood. I'm not doing that with you today. You know, whatever that thing is. And so.
Marcus Hart (37:26.945)
Curious.
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (37:39.278)
That has really helped my outlook.
Marcus Hart (37:42.581)
Patrice, Patrice, Patrice, you dropped some gems that are going to transform our family's approach to reinvention for sure, for sure. know? Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (37:43.789)
Hahaha!
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (37:50.426)
well great. I'm glad Marcus. glad. You know, there's nothing wrong with reinvention. There's nothing wrong with disrupting. There's nothing wrong with breaking the rules. What do they say? Ask for forgiveness versus permission. Do that. Do that. Especially when it's for the greater good. Whether it's the greater good with you or the greater good within your friends and family, the greater good of the world. There's nothing wrong with that.
Marcus Hart (37:56.545)
Mm.
Marcus Hart (38:15.125)
Excellent. Do you got any plugs you want to put out there?
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (38:18.361)
I mean, I will say this, if you want to explore you or your audience, what reinvention could really look like, follow me on LinkedIn. I'm at the Career Nomad. You can also go on my website, www.careernomad.org. Or if you want to email me, you can email me at hello at patricelindo.com. But I am just elated that I got the chance to sit with you and to talk with you. And you know, now I can really say Google me. If you Google me.
Marcus Hart (38:46.241)
Yeah.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (38:47.577)
I never thought, right? If you have the courage to dream and see yourself in your next season, you'd be surprised it would be better. And in hindsight, I see that in so many areas of my life, but I didn't understand it. I didn't think I would get married. I didn't think I would have children. I didn't think I'd have my, I don't know what I thought, but I just didn't. And I have three amazing daughters. I have a wonderful husband of 30 years. mean, I'm working at
The firm I'm working at now was something that I saw in the airport and I was like, I don't even know what it would take to get there, but I'm get there. And I'm there. And like, that's what saying, I'm building the time. So build whatever it is that you want to build. And even if you don't know the whole picture, build the picture that you can see and it will build on top of that. And you'll talk to more people and you'll have more experiences and the information and inputs that you will need to create your dream will blow your mind.
I know that's what's happening for me. I know that's happening for my clients. So if that's something that you or your audience would be interested in doing, please do reach out. I would love to work with you.
Marcus Hart (39:56.054)
I appreciate that invitation, Patrice, know, so that I think that's going to go a long way again. So let's seal this with a call to rise up. And for those out there, especially our Hollywood friends out there and other professionals, you know, to rewrite those final acts. So that's all. All right. We'll close it right there.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (39:58.154)
Absolutely.
Patrice Lindo -The Career Nomad (40:15.32)
Thank you.
Marcus Hart (00:00.962)
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